Serie A Chat

***BlueCrew LA*** · 03-02-2012, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

I dont question his ability but i really do think he is over-rated. You say all of Colombias positive moves came through him in the Copa America but what game/games were you referring to? He is versatile but can be very inconsistant. He struggled to get a game for Porto at the beginning but was playing very well at the end, but i think its too early to start regarding him as a great.

You don't question his ability but he's overrated?

Colombia weren't as cutting as I thought they'd be. He had most of the ball and at times was the one of the most threatening players. I watch a ton of football so I can't give you a breakdown on a tournament, I've seen a lot of matches in between the Copa and now. Maybe I need to get some video to remind myself. Most of my assessment of Guarin is based off his second half of last season, which you referenced in the league and Europa league were he was instrumental. I watched a bit more Porto matches last season because of Falcao and Hulk who Spurs were linked to, I think he's a good player. Inconsistency in football happens the world over, Lennon was one of our most inconsistent players last season but like Guarin I think they do have some ability.

I think his style would suit Inter, in a way similar to what KPB offers Milan. High work rate, aggressive and direct, in a league that's slower paced I think he can give an extra dimension that Inter's midfield is missing, which is why I wanted Roma to sign him. We need another player in there to go along with Pjanic and De Rossi, Simplicio isn't a long term option and the young boys need more time to get settled if they're going to work at all. Maybe you can give me an assesemnt of Casemiro who've Roma have been linked to, I've seen him a couple times but not enough to know an awful lot.

Everyone at Porto improved under AVB, even though Hulk is having a decent season it's not like last year when he was smashing it (no pun intended

). I think in a new system he'll do alright. I never said he was world class but I admire his ability when he's on his game and I think he'll be good for Inter, and that's coming from a Roma fan.

**Bogota Yid** · 03-02-2012, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by BlueCrew LA

You don't question his ability but he's overrated?

Colombia weren't as cutting as I thought they'd be. He had most of the ball and at times was the one of the most threatening players. I watch a ton of football so I can't give you a breakdown on a tournament, I've seen a lot of matches in between the Copa and now. Maybe I need to get some video to remind myself. Most of my assessment of Guarin is based off his second half of last season, which you referenced in the league and Europa league were he was instrumental. I watched a bit more Porto matches last season because of Falcao and Hulk who Spurs were linked to, I think he's a good player. Inconsistency in football happens the world over, Lennon was one of our most inconsistent players last season but like Guarin I think they do have some ability.

I think his style would suit Inter, in a way similar to what KPB offers Milan. High work rate, aggressive and direct, in a league that's slower paced I think he can give an extra dimension that Inter's midfield is missing, which is why I wanted Roma to sign him. We need another player in there to go along with Pjanic and De Rossi, Simplicio isn't a long term option and the young boys need more time to get settled if they're going to work at all. Maybe you can give me an assesemnt of Casemiro who've Roma have been linked to, I've seen him a couple times but not enough to know an awful lot.

Everyone at Porto improved under AVB, even though Hulk is having a decent season it's not like last year when he was smashing it (no pun intended

). I think in a new system he'll do alright. I never said he was world class but I admire his ability when he's on his game and I think he'll be good for Inter, and that's coming from a Roma fan.

Does it not make any sense to have ability but be overrated?!

Colombia are basically just crap so its no surprise to most of what they do tries to go through him, as he is one of their more skillful players. By the way, hes scored just 2 goals for Colombia and hes played in 31 games. Hardly prolific! His goal scoring recoed for the teams in Colombia, Argentina and France was pretty awful too. Im not doubting last season for Porto but i think he has to keep it up for a little longer until we can really know how good he is. Also i think Falcao(Colombias best player by a mile) and Hulk had a lot more to do with Portos success that Guarin. He is a good player, i agree, i just found myself a bit gobsmacked when people started raving on about him. Inconsistency is common yes, but what i meant is that you never know what you are going to get with him and he can be selfish and ineffective sometimes. Versatile but volatile.
That said though, i do agree he is a good signing for Inter.

***BlueCrew LA*** · 03-02-2012, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Bryce_Williams

Yeah, I love Miccoli. If there was one footballer Id like to just hang out with, its him (apart from my idols of King and Zanetti). As for Roma, I must admit Im a little surprised, particularly with Kjaer. I always thought he looked decent and would become really good. He's been AWFUL, but I don't need to tell you that. They'll get better though, its pretty much just a rebuilding year at this point, if it wasn't before. I expect both of our clubs to buy this summer, it could end up being quite an interesting window in Italy coming up.

I think the rest of this season is going to be a prolonged painful scouting exercise featuring Franceco Totti an a load of youngins.

I think we still need:

CB - Maybe two, we need quick CB's that can play a high line. Kjaer isn't quick, his concentration sucks, he makes poor decisions and fouls a lot so he's always a risk of being sent off. That's pretty much as shit as you can get for a CB. I'd like Astori and maybe Bocchetti, also some more young prospects.

LB/RB - Depending on how Marquinho does, I think we signed him to be our Isla on the left, I'll get back to you on that. Then of course I think we'll go for the real Isla on the other side. He's a player we've been scouting for awhile. I think the plan was always to sign him in the winter because obviously Udinese wouldn't be in a position to keep him, yeah that blew up in our face.

We need more CM's.

We have De Rossi and he's probably going to resign but the rumors are that he wants a buyout clause of €15m for insurance. So it's almost like he didn't sign a contract. So I think we'll keep tabs on Diarra who's expressed interest in playing for the Giallorossi in the past. Assuming he did stay our midfielder would be De Rossi, Pjanic and Totti in a 4-2-3-1. We need quality players to rotate for both De Rossi and Pjanic, also cope for tactical changes. We have Greco and Viviani but they haven't shown enough for me yet.

We're fine on the wings and in the hole, GK is solid. So I'd probably say our last weak area is ST. Osvaldo has been great but with him going down it's shows we don't really have cover. So probably need to look for another #9. I imagine Enrique will test Nico Lopez who looks a prospect, no reason not to, we aren't going anywhere. Hopefully he'll be the next Suarez -minus the racism....

***BlueCrew LA*** · 03-02-2012, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

Does it not make any sense to have ability but be overrated?!

By questioning the praise he gets you're indirectly questioning the assessment of his ability by the public (in this case me), but I was just taking the piss.

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

By the way, hes scored just 2 goals for Colombia and hes played in 31 games. Hardly prolific! His goal scoring recoed for the teams in Colombia, Argentina and France was pretty awful too.

Cavani hasn't really stood out for Uruguay like he does in Italy. Part of that is due to the system Tabarez plays with almost by default makes him less effective.

Also Goal scoring isn't the only attribute midfielders should be judged by, if that was the case then Silva > Xavi. The system Porto played with inverted wingers and Falcao central, Imo isn't the best for his qualities. I think at Inter he'll be a bit better because of their ability to retain the ball in the center of the par and he'll be able to pick his runs.

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

Im not doubting last season for Porto but i think he has to keep it up for a little longer until we can really know how good he is.

Obviously, I'm not sure where I suggested he's a world class player. Just that based on his season last year I think he showed he has the ability, so to me that suggests maybe he needs a change of scenery and tactical philosophy. I wanted him to go to Roma because like with Inter, actually to greater extent then Inter we value possession and players that are direct can perform well. Simplicio can be useful but the system Enrique employs, even though he's not really that good anymore.

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

Also i think Falcao(Colombias best player by a mile) and Hulk had a lot more to do with Portos success that Guarin.

I never said he wasn't and I would have sacrificed mine and your children to see Hulk in a Spurs shirt but that ain't happening. Also I think Zuniga is quality, for Napoli at least, he always gives Roma problems.

That's all I got on the subject really.

**Bryce_Williams** · 03-02-2012, 04:37 AM

@BlueCrew LA the reason Cavani doesn't shine for Colombia is because he's Uruguayan

(Boy will I look stupid if there's another Cavani)

***BlueCrew LA*** · 03-02-2012, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Bryce_Williams

@BlueCrew LA the reason Cavani doesn't shine for Colombia is because he's Uruguayan

(Boy will I look stupid if there's another Cavani)

Ha! I had Colombia on the brain, URUGUAY you git!

**Bogota Yid** · 03-02-2012, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by BlueCrew LA

By questioning the praise he gets you're indirectly questioning the assessment of his ability by the public (in this case me), but I was just taking the piss.

Cavani hasn't really stood out for Colombia like he does in Italy. Part of that is due to the system Tabarez plays with almost by default makes him less effective.

Also Goal scoring isn't the only attribute midfielders should be judged by, if that was the case then Silva > Xavi. The system Porto played with inverted wingers and Falcao central, Imo isn't the best for his qualities. I think at Inter he'll be a bit better because of their ability to retain the ball in the center of the par and he'll be able to pick his runs.

Obviously, I'm not sure where I suggested he's a world class player. Just that based on his season last year I think he showed he has the ability, so to me that suggests maybe he needs a change of scenery and tactical philosophy. I wanted him to go to Roma because like with Inter, actually to greater extent then Inter we value possession and players that are direct can perform well. Simplicio can be useful but the system Enrique employs, even though he's not really that good anymore.

I never said he wasn't and I would have sacrificed mine and your children to see Hulk in a Spurs shirt but that ain't happening. Also I think Zuniga is quality, for Napoli at least, he always gives Roma problems.

That's all I got on the subject really.

I knew you were just taking the piss but my comment does make sense. I can still have the opinion that a player does have ability but just not to the extent of what many believe! But anyway, no probs

.
Cavani isnt Colombian, hes from Uruguay! Think you just mis typed that though. Although the way Colombia play should give him more reason to be effective. I do agree with you though, goal scoring isnt the only thing that midfieldes should be judged on, i perhaps just over reacted after seeing someone suggest he could have been a replacement for Modric. If they are not scoring then they should control games but Guarin cant do that like Modric. we will see how he dos for Inter anyway, but im not comvinced he will be an automatic starter.

**Bogota Yid** · 03-02-2012, 04:43 AM

Please no sacrificing my children

***BlueCrew LA*** · 03-02-2012, 11:55 PM

More Miccoli man crushing....

OptaPaolo Opta Sports

11 - Fabrizio Miccoli was directly involved in 11 of Palermo's last 12 goals in the league, scoring 5 and making 6 assists. Captain

**Bogota Yid** · 04-02-2012, 03:02 AM

Confident about Roma Inter BlueCrew LA? I think you have a decent shot, theyve looked sketchy the last 2 games.
Milan Napoli should be good too although i cant see Napoli getting anything from the game.

***BlueCrew LA*** · 04-02-2012, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bogota Yid

Confident about Roma Inter BlueCrew LA? I think you have a decent shot, theyve looked sketchy the last 2 games.
Milan Napoli should be good too although i cant see Napoli getting anything from the game.

We both looked sketchy lately but with our back-line I don't ever feel confident these days.

***BlueCrew LA*** · 05-02-2012, 06:13 PM

Roma v Inter

**Irish Yid Pavlyuchenko** · 05-02-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by BlueCrew LA

Roma v Inter

BORINI! Where the **** did that one come out of! Domination!

Juve :'( Don't know how they didn't concede but anyway! Moving on!

**CmonyouSpurs** · 05-02-2012, 08:18 PM

@BlueCrew LA you might need yet another change of underwear...

Franco Baldini: Daniele De Rossi has signed new five-year deal with Roma - Goal.com

***BlueCrew LA*** · 05-02-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Irish Yid Pavlyuchenko

BORINI! Where the **** did that one come out of! Domination!

Juve :'( Don't know how they didn't concede but anyway! Moving on!

Controversially I'd say Borini has been the better signing then Bojan. He scored a great goal today but Borini's style works so well in our system. Bojan has all the skill in the world but Borini’s direct style just gives defenses problems. He scores great goals but he also scores scrappy poachers goals, he’s one of my favorite additions this season. We have bought very wisely in attack, we just need to sort out the defense in the summer. Also that match just goes to show the influence of De Rossi. He makes average defenders better because he compensates for mistakes, we would have beaten Calgari if he was playing.

What I've been waiting for, Carlo Zampa highlights.

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