If you could only choose one, who would you rather stayed , Modric or Vdv?.

**dansm31** · 06-07-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dustin

Sorry bud, getting a bit short with the all the rat face comments is all. Used to get them a lot as a kid myself

(kidding haha). But yeah, that was meant at a lot of people a little harsh to just come after you. I don't have any personal love for Luka Modric, but as someone who greatly values teams that use deep-lying playmakers, I realize how lucky we have been to have him and I find losing Modric to be a very disappointing prospect, we likely will have to wait another decade to get another with his potential (he is still young for that position and he still has miles to improve). People too often mistake deep-lying playmakers with CM or AM playmakers, but the deep-lying ones are a rarer mentality. They play quietly, and meticulously, I keep thinking that Modric is better than Makelele was, and look at the up-roar that selling him did to Real Madrid - though that team was in a very different sort of unrest. It is possible that Modric may one day be in a small group currently occupied by Xavi H and A, Pirlo, arguably Scholes, to think that that that could be at Spurs gets me very excited, and now disappointed. Water under the bridge.

No worries mate,i do rate modric really highly and realise his importance to the team and how we play,but in the long run we are better off with players that want to play for us,and he will be very hard to replace if we have the money to do it then i think we should go all out for moutinho who in my opinon is as good as modric and would be a great replacement but he will cost big money,did you notice i called him modric again

**Mr Spurfect** · 06-07-2012, 10:04 AM

It's a no brainer for me. I would want VDV to stay.

Modric is a better all rounder who can last a full 90 minutes but he lacks passion and committment to our club. Let's be honest, what's the point of having such a talented player only for his talent to go missing during long periods of the season.

VDV - I love the guy. For me, he is one of the few players that when they leave our club, I follow their progress wherever the move on to. You can tell he loves playing for Tottenham and I just LOVE the way he winds up the gooners when he scores against them. VDV I love you.

I say Modric is a better all rounder but that shouldn't detract from the fact that VDV is proper class. One of the few players for Holland to shine in the euros.

If VDV does leave to go to Germany, and leaves of his own choosing, then at least it seems for genuine reasons. He has always stated he would like to return to Germany before retiring and we know that his gorgeous misses is based there (I'd move to Germany for a bird like that).

**jason.and.the.yids.** · 06-07-2012, 10:05 AM

I think both will go!

coys..............

**Marsh** · 06-07-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by SalvatoreGiuseppe

I did >_>

As you said, I understand both sides. Modric wants to leave, and he can make the club pretty rich by being sold, so see ya later.

As for VdV, nothing grinds my gears more than a player who looks like a 7 year old when they get subbed off. Going straight down the tunnel, or just throwing a hissy fit. Same goes for when they are forced, due to absences or injuries, to play a position which is not their first position. I want a player who will give a 110% and ask how high when the manager says jump.

That said, I wouldn't mind if either or both stayed. I just don't need it, and I don't think the club needs it.

I think we probably could cope with both leaving, but we'd be far better off keeping at least one.

I see Rafa's outbreaks of anger more as a display of passion than anything.
Also, as @spursman18 says, he always gives everything whenever he plays. The fact that he doesn't agree with the manager's decisions is completely irrelevant.

**jrg83** · 06-07-2012, 10:26 AM

Vdv 47 votes Modric 43, much closer than i expected and interesting because if there attitudes were switched round(vdv wanting out and Modric fully committed) Modric would win by a landslide imo.

**Don Diaz** · 06-07-2012, 10:42 AM

Love them both obviously but Modric is more key to the teams overall success as he has an integral position that has more likely influence throughout the match. With the arrival of Siggurdsson we have a potential natural VdV back-up/replacement. Obviously again, I'm hoping that neither leaves since they both have a big impact on the team in my Spurs dreamworld I'd just like to see us strengthen, so that we can replace like with like and give the key players more of rest during the season. Pienaar would also help in this regard assuming he stays with us and plays like he does for Everton.

**TreyNerd** · 06-07-2012, 11:52 AM

Although it doesn't seem like Modric really does much, i think you would see massive changes in the way spurs play if he wasnt playing. He controls most of the games possession, which is important.

I will always thank VDV for what he has done for spurs, but i just feel VDV is the type of player that is available alot around the world, there are alot of VDV type players.

Whereas i feel modric is a rare player.

**Mandy** · 06-07-2012, 02:16 PM

The thing that bugs me with Modric is that when he pulls on that Croatia shirt he is immense. He plays with such passion and really is complete class. The trouble is we don't see that same player when he pulls on the Spurs shirt. We know how good he is, but he's just not consistent enough and there is really no point in holding onto a player that doesn't want to play. If he was on top form every time he played for us it would be awesome, and he would win this poll without a doubt, but he just goes missing for large portions of the season.
I love both of these guys and I'd hate to see either of them go.

**najt rajder** · 06-07-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by brainiac

Hair - VDV

Overall/All round tekkers - VDV

Reading the game - Modric (just)

Shooting - VDV absolutely

Choosing a pass - Modric (just)

Corners - equal

Free Kicks - VDV (although both are wanting in this department)

Loyalty - VDV by an absolute mile...... the bloke has been legendary in his comments about the club.

Interviews - VDV only on the basis he speaks fluent english & has always been very open very complimentary about spurs while never stating any intention to fook off.

Assists - Modric

Fitness - Modric

Car - Modders BMW X5 .......VDV Audi R8 .........So - VDV

Creativity in front of goal - VDV

Creativity in midfield - Modric

Consistency - VDV

Penalties - VDV

Age advantage - Modric

VDV = 11 attributes
Modders = 6 attributes

1 Attribute equal (corners)

There are two more issues that need to be covered

1) Financial gain that can be achieved by each player based on age - Modric stands to gain more financially by a move away at age 26 due to our wage limitations. VDV is 29 (30 years old in 5 months) although VDV & his agent could find a pay rise out there somewhere for him Modric has the most to gain financially from a move away imo.

I would aim to keep VDV over modric simply because of the above realities.

2) Trophies/glory/honours ....... Modric could be very tempted to fook off in search of not only a massive wedge but top shelf silverware. While VDV would have a similar ambition he must know he would watch said trophy being won from the bench....if he was to move.

I would again aim to keep VDV after taking the above into consideration.

A lot boils down to how rich modric is & how rich he wants to be imo.

Nice, think this is the most objective POV i have read in this thread. Maybe the skills could be discussed, since it is not that simple

**najt rajder** · 06-07-2012, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mandy

The thing that bugs me with Modric is that when he pulls on that Croatia shirt he is immense. He plays with such passion and really is complete class. The trouble is we don't see that same player when he pulls on the Spurs shirt. We know how good he is, but he's just not consistent enough and there is really no point in holding onto a player that doesn't want to play. If he was on top form every time he played for us it would be awesome, and he would win this poll without a doubt, but he just goes missing for large portions of the season.
I love both of these guys and I'd hate to see either of them go.

We often criticize him for his NT performances in Croatia

**BrumSpur** · 06-07-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by najt rajder

We often criticize him for his NT performances in Croatia

Thank you! I was thinking the very same thing, but I daren't say anything more on this thread!

And wasn't VDV miles ahead in this poll, yesterday? Where have all the Luka supporters come from? And why aren't they giving their reasons for voting?

**StripiestPilot** · 06-07-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mandy

The thing that bugs me with Modric is that when he pulls on that Croatia shirt he is immense. He plays with such passion and really is complete class. The trouble is we don't see that same player when he pulls on the Spurs shirt. We know how good he is, but he's just not consistent enough and there is really no point in holding onto a player that doesn't want to play. If he was on top form every time he played for us it would be awesome, and he would win this poll without a doubt, but he just goes missing for large portions of the season.
I love both of these guys and I'd hate to see either of them go.

I don't see that at all. He has a few off games like any player (especially one who is overworked the way he was last season), but his chance creation stats and passing numbers are consistently excellent. Nobody carves defences open like clockwork every week, but what Modric does for us is often hard to spot when he's not creating chances directly.

**luminoir** · 06-07-2012, 06:30 PM

I'm not sure they are similar enough players to compare this way as an either or. It's like asking if you'd rather keep bale or walker.

They may both be midfielders & overlap areas of the field but their objectives & strength are quite different.

They can also theoretically play each other's role, but neither does it better than the other, versatility argument is also moot.

They both are less influential played out of position on the wing. So we have to also bear in mind when we compare them who has been played in position more often? To my mind, that's modric. He has been moved to left wing to cover injuries at times, but nowhere near as often as vdv has on the right.

Vdv as a DLP can spray the passes, but lack of pace & positional discipline make him a defensive liability against quick breaks.

Modric can create chances further up the field, but let's not be fooled by the couple of long range screamers he's scored, his shooting is not the best. Quality strikes when they hit the target but that is a once in a blue moon event.

I'm a huge vdv fan but I'm not blind. Barring pirlo & a handful of other players, modric is one of the best in his position. The question is whether that particular position would be as central to our system under avb. Similarly, vdv's role as second striker may not be as important in an avb tottenham.

2 key signings may indicate where they stand. Vertonghen as a ball playing center back, is very comfortable bringing the ball out from the back. Considering avb's penchant for a high defensive line, it's possible he would prefer a cb bringing the ball up & compressing the space rather than a DLP dropping deep & carrying the ball to attacking areas.

similarly, sigurdsson plays less advanced than vdv, & would overlap more of the areas that vertonghen would cover than vdv would.

This means instead of our defenders behind the halfway line & modric operating in the central third of the field with vdv in the central to attacking third, we have our defenders pushing up with vertonghen to the halfway line & sigurdsson linking play in the attacking half. A higher line & compressed space with (if it works) more time & players in the opposition half

**Dave** · 06-07-2012, 06:44 PM

VdV over Modric.

Modric goes missing when needed. Especially in big games. VdV is a match winner.

**wilky4uk** · 07-07-2012, 06:24 PM

would reccommend the following article: What would an Andre Villas Boas Tottenham look like? Tactical Analysis
makes me want to keep Modric even more to be honest, is exactly the type of mobile creative midfielder AVB loves
take out external influences and just compare the players and its a no brainer, modric is not replaceable, we would sign damage limitation
VDV on the other hand I think is a harder fit into the AVB system and although I love the guy I think based on the original idealistic question, i wishfully think Modric can still be persuaded to stay
I dont actually think he has shown disloyalty to Spurs, he signed a lengthy contract unlike Arsenals star player and merely appreciates he can play at the top level, which he can...

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