don't go pressing the panic button

[docshooter]

look lets get real.....the premier league is a right off this season. getting rid of ramos and changing the backroom staff now is unlikely to result in the change of fortune that will get us high enough up the table for europe. our only hope is too qualify through one of the cups and I still think ramos could do that for us.

Ramos' record shows that he is a good manager and I still believe the board made a good decision in bringing him in. Things aren't going well at the moment but he needs time to adjust to the premier league. I think big mistakes were made in pre-season. I said at the time that with a new manager our pre-season should have been spent playing british teams including premierleague teams to give ramos an idea of how football is played over here. Instead we spent most of our time playing in the sunshine of spain or earning the club money by playing against european clubs like roma. It is always going to take time for foreign managers and players to adjust to our style of football...thats what makes the premierleague unique.

I don't think that change is the answer....the top clubs (aside from those who prosper by spending a fortune) get success by being patient and backing their manager. ferguson couldn't win a conker contest when he first arrived and wenger needed time to really bed in. Look at newcastle to see what constant change gets you...chaos.

Also good players and managers don't become crap overnight. confidence is a major factor. Ramos is still a managaer who took a relatively small club to two successive UEFA cups and almost broke the strangle hold of barcelona and madrid on the spanish league. Pavelychenko, Bentley, Lennon, Dos Santos, Modric, Bale, Corluka, Hutton, Jenas, King, Woodgate, Gomes are good players.

I'll admit that we're still short in certain areas and need to strengthen further in January to get a squad capable of challenging for the top 6 or above regulalry but this squad IS easily good enough to be finishing in the top-half each season.

We should also stop worrying about other clubs. Its ealry and a good start for hull, stoke, west brom, west ham and others is realistically not going to be maintained over the season.

As I said at the beginning I have no delusions that we're going to finish in the top 6 or 7 but i'm confident we'll not be in the bottom 6 or 7 either come may 2009. We just need to be realistic and accept that if we want success we have to have consistency and allow Ramos time to create the team and style of football he is known for.

lets get behind the team and who knows maybe an exciting and successful cup run could be in our season.

[yidno1]

5 wins this calender year.

Our worst start for 53 years.

One upfront.

Gilberto and Ekotto on the left.

Insane tactics

Dos Santos,Modric and Lennon being overlooked.

Ramos has won us a cup, well done to him but he hasnt pushed on, hes taking us down and fast.

Please make a case against all ive listed mate? None of it is made up and none of it is to be proud of.

[docshooter]

good enough for at least top half and with the right additions in january / next summer they could be good enough for challenging the top 6 regularly.

[docshooter]

Please make a case against all ive listed mate? None of it is made up and none of it is to be proud of.

as i said i think he needs time to adjust without us all booing and calling for his head. i believe time will show the qualities that he and the players have.

[yidno1]

good enough for at least top half and with the right additions in january / next summer they could be good enough for challenging the top 6 regularly.

BASED ON WHAT???
Where do you see the light at the end of tunnel mate? How many more games must we lose until you and a few others realise hes the wrong man?

[docshooter]

Please make a case against all ive listed mate? None of it is made up and none of it is to be proud of.

i believe time will allow ramos and the players show the qualities that they have.....but will the boo boys and panic merchants who constantly call for instant success allow them the freedom to do so or will spurs follow newcastle on the ever changing chaotic road to ruin

[yidno1]

i believe time will allow ramos and the players show the qualities that they have.....but will the boo boys and panic merchants who constantly call for instant success allow them the freedom to do so or will spurs follow newcastle on the ever changing chaotic road to ruin

So well done mate for just overlooking the stats i presented to you, obviously blindly optimistic in your own world eh.
5 league wins this calender year, there we go i said it again for you if you couldnt bothered to scroll up.
Hes had over a year and no improvement infact far worse than when Jol was incharge.
But again youl over look these FACTS and continue to label me and others as scare mongers ect............
Glad you like the championship mate, im sure Ramos will master Sheffield Utd and Preston :mad:

[bigmartin]

the darkest hour comes before the dawn. ramos is just doing the best with what commoli sealed for him. ramos is unable to work a good squad rotation with such a sallow side (in terms of squad depth). commoli will be first to go.

[slimboydim]

the darkest hour comes before the dawn. ramos is just doing the best with what commoli sealed for him. ramos is unable to work a good squad rotation with such a sallow side (in terms of squad depth). commoli will be first to go.

Good Evening, I have to disagree...
There is no way Wendy is doing the best with what he has.
Playing players out of position, strange formations.
If he plays the players in the correct positions, and plays
our strongest side, we will climb the league, then he will
be doing the best with what he has...
At the moment it is a shambles, to say he is doing his best
is an odd observation, in my view.

[docshooter]

So well done mate for just overlooking the stats i presented to you, obviously blindly optimistic in your own world eh.
5 league wins this calender year, there we go i said it again for you if you couldnt bothered to scroll up.
Hes had over a year and no improvement infact far worse than when Jol was incharge.
But again youl over look these FACTS and continue to label me and others as scare mongers ect............
Glad you like the championship mate, im sure Ramos will master Sheffield Utd and Preston :mad:

i'm well aware of the facts but also that the season is 38 games long and not 6. if clubs sacked their manager after a run of 6 games that didn't fulfill their potential then no manager would survive a season. should man utd sack ferguson because they're 6 points adrift of the leaders.....or should arsenal consider sacking wenger as they haven't won the league for a while? of course not but you idiots out there spend all your time in a delusional world where overnight spurs will be able to win the league and dominate the world.

i'm realistic...if you higher a foreign manager you have to expect it will take time to settle and adapt and if you believe in him (as we pretty much all did when we got him) then you should give him that time.

if spurs go down i'll sell my season ticket and give the money to a charity of your choice.......and i'll do the same if they follow your idea and sack ramos and doing so magically changes spurs into the dream team you delude them to be and they finish higher than 8th.

i say stop crying over 'stats' and let the manager and players get on with the business of turning around the teams fortunes.

[slimboydim]

Good Evening, this is not about six games.
He has been here nearly a year, without the Cup
win he would be gone, his league record is worse
than the much maligned Christian Gross!

[yidno1]

i'm well aware of the facts but also that the season is 38 games long and not 6. if clubs sacked their manager after a run of 6 games that didn't fulfill their potential then no manager would survive a season. should man utd sack ferguson because they're 6 points adrift of the leaders.....or should arsenal consider sacking wenger as they haven't won the league for a while? of course not but you idiots out there spend all your time in a delusional world where overnight spurs will be able to win the league and dominate the world.

i'm realistic...if you higher a foreign manager you have to expect it will take time to settle and adapt and if you believe in him (as we pretty much all did when we got him) then you should give him that time.

if spurs go down i'll sell my season ticket and give the money to a charity of your choice.......and i'll do the same if they follow your idea and sack ramos and doing so magically changes spurs into the dream team you delude them to be and they finish higher than 8th.

i say stop crying over 'stats' and let the manager and players get on with the business of turning around the teams fortunes.

Continue with all the crap you want mate, your blind im afraid.
Our form is relegation form simple as that, keep Ramos and he continues to mess the team around then prepare to sell that season ticket mate.
Idiots you call us? its ironic coming from the speil you spout about giving him more time but thats your view which i dont subcribe to.

[docshooter]

so without the cup win.....those insignificant victories over top clubs and silverware in the cabinet.....not much then and certainly not enough to deserve the backing of the board and supporters. god forbid he won the uefa cup last season or he would have been sacked after a pre-season draw!!!

[berby999]

i'm well aware of the facts but also that the season is 38 games long and not 6. if clubs sacked their manager after a run of 6 games that didn't fulfill their potential then no manager would survive a season. should man utd sack ferguson because they're 6 points adrift of the leaders.....or should arsenal consider sacking wenger as they haven't won the league for a while? of course not but you idiots out there spend all your time in a delusional world where overnight spurs will be able to win the league and dominate the world.

i'm realistic...if you higher a foreign manager you have to expect it will take time to settle and adapt and if you believe in him (as we pretty much all did when we got him) then you should give him that time.

if spurs go down i'll sell my season ticket and give the money to a charity of your choice.......and i'll do the same if they follow your idea and sack ramos and doing so magically changes spurs into the dream team you delude them to be and they finish higher than 8th.

i say stop crying over 'stats' and let the manager and players get on with the business of turning around the teams fortunes.

I think you are being deluded by saying you think Ramos will turn it around given time. These 'stats' you say dont cry about, they are the reasons why we are bottom of the league and playing the worst football I have the unfortune of seeing for a very very long time.

I want Ramos to explain his thinking on these 'stats' as they are the worst possible decisions he could have made, what next?put the Gk up front and Lennon in goal?

Its very frustrating to accept and support him without him explaining why he has caused this when its clear there are better options and many of them.

[docshooter]

in the old days managers were given time and it often brought rewards.....these days every one wants instant results and i'm afraid for spurs the only way to the instant success is through a friendly asian billionaire....is that what we want for our club? personally i'd go for steady improvement with a club run effectively and efficiently and with consistency......much like (and it pains me to say it) arsenal under wenger.