Thread: Suarez Charged by the FA

All I am saying thank good heavens that we didn't ****ING SIGN HIM! Even if the story is bull still he would bring nothing but bad vibes.

Originally Posted by S.L.R

Sorry, but it's as difficult for me to comprehend why you think you can say what everyone else would do based on what you would do... intellectually, I absolutely would not. I'm not trying to sound like a saint. I hate the fact you can't disagree with the majority without being told "liar, you would do the same as me". Reflex-wise though, I suspect you and AmericanHotspur have a point.

Perhaps I could rephrase it to it's silly to think that we know with any certainty how we would act in that situation, because it's a situation that no one on this board will ever be in. The fact is, you can think whatever you want but the way you've developed as a person is completely different than a professional footballer like Suarez. Maybe if we put the incident in a vacuum and let you go out tomorrow and be put in the same situation you wouldn't do it, but that's just not realistic. Talk is cheap.

It's very difficult for me to crucify someone for that when I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same. Don't get me wrong; I'm certainly not claiming it's sporting behavior or something that should be looked upon as heroic, but I just think from an ethical standpoint it's not as disgraceful as people make it out to be. I also SUSPECT basically anyone from any national team would do the same as he did, but that's of course impossible to prove or disprove.

As for comparing it to diving, I still think from a mental / ethical standpoint diving is worse. What Suarez did was cheating, but it was also "honest" cheating (I know, sounds silly) that arose out of desperation and reflex in an incredibly rare situation. Diving is acting; it's intentionally misrepresenting something and taking advantage of others. Again, I'm not saying what Suarez did was honorable or sportsmanlike, but to me from a personal ethics standpoint I cringe at the thought of lying to gain an advantage on someone. It's more premeditated than a split-second moment as Suarez's was.

And yeah, Bale is a cheat. It makes me extremely embarrassed to watch him make a meal out of every knock he takes. Harsh to put it that way, but we call anyone who dives on other teams a cheat and Bale dives like a mother****er and bitches to refs all the time. Still love the guy

But he's still not as big of as a cnut as Suarez And at the end of the day, that's what this is really about; I'm in full agreement with everyone on that front.

Edit: Actually when you think about it Football and Basketball rules are quite similar. Suarez is the Vlade Divac of football.

....... now that's funny ........ Divac perfected "flopping" but unlike Suarez when questioned he always happily admitted it, the man's a legend both in and outside the game ......

Suarez has already proved that he is a cheating diver. Now if he is also racist, he can really cement his place as a Liverpool hero.

In hindsight, I can see another reason why Harry may not want to get Suarez as he always wants good characters in his team. Thank fook we didn't get him. It would be awkward to hate our own player this much. No doubt he has great ability but football is not just about skills.

Regarding Suarez in the World Cup... his handball was acceptable in my opinion. As there are no rules for a penalty goal in football, he pushed the existing rules to the limit and got lucky. His subsequent celebration of winning unfairly was very unsporting, though, and that is why I dislike him - lack of class and grace whatever the result. It's like Schumacher in F1. People say they dislike him 'cause he broke the rules, but he just pushed them to the limits in a very smug manner and as a result actually developed the sport. He's a winner, not a window cleaner so it's hard to relate to his actions as much.

Lots of other top players dive, handball, are racist in order to beat their opponent (Ronaldo, Maradona, Terry etc.) and are still regarded as the greatest players in the world because of their ability. In any other job they'd be banned for being cnuts. I also find it strange how the lines between acceptable offence and discrimination/racism are drawn but that's another story. It's not rocket science as to why the races of the fans on the terraces, the managers, the boards, the governing associations are still heavily disproportionate to those of the population.

I hope the FA or FIFA or whoever is in charge do take some form of relevant disciplinary action if true, however, I feel it is contradictory to their stance on other issues (e.g. video technology as evidence and the issues mentioned above).

Originally Posted by NI Yiddo

Regarding Suarez in the World Cup... his handball was acceptable in my opinion. As there are no rules for a penalty goal in football, he pushed the existing rules to the limit and got lucky. His subsequent celebration of winning unfairly was very unsporting, though, and that is why I dislike him - lack of class and grace whatever the result. It's like Schumacher in F1. People say they dislike him 'cause he broke the rules, but he just pushed them to the limits in a very smug manner and as a result actually developed the sport. He's a winner, not a window cleaner so it's hard to relate to his actions as much.

Lots of other top players dive, handball, are racist in order to beat their opponent (Ronaldo, Maradona, Terry etc.) and are still regarded as the greatest players in the world because of their ability. In any other job they'd be banned for being cnuts. I also find it strange how the lines between acceptable offence and discrimination/racism are drawn but that's another story. It's not rocket science as to why the races of the fans on the terraces, the managers, the boards, the governing associations are still heavily disproportionate to those of the population.

I hope the FA or FIFA or whoever is in charge do take some form of relevant disciplinary action if true, however, I feel it is contradictory to their stance on other issues (eg video technology as evidence and the issues mentioned above).

So it's ok to do something that allows your team to win unfairly, as long as you don't celebrate the unfair victory afterwards???

Originally Posted by BigDub

So it's ok to do something that allows your team to win unfairly, as long as you don't celebrate the unfair victory afterwards???

I don't think it is okay to do something that allows your team to win unfairly, but that isn't on Suarez, it's on the rules. Back passes, offsides, yellow cards for diving and a range of developments have been implemented into football to help prevent teams winning unfairly. For example, our goal against ars*nal when wenger thought we were wrong to not kick the ball out - nothing was in the rules to force us to, but the uproar ensured a revision of the rules so that the ref always had final say on the matter instead of players deciding injuries. New legislation has helped prevent faking injuries to stop a counter attack in the future.

So I think it was only unfair in terms of sportsmanship, not unfair within the context of the rules. The ref sent him off, the Ghana player missed the penalty, and then continued to lose the rest of the match and resulting penalty shoot out. Ghana essentially lost the match as a result of out-of-date rules and not capitalising on their opportunities as much as bad luck and the instinct of Suarez. I think a lot of players would naturally go to save the ball, but afterwards not rub it in at an African world cup in front of the whole world who were behind the last African team in the competition. I think boasting "I have the hand of god now" and thinking he is a hero is a little disrespectful when it was clear to everyone else who the real heroes were in that match.

Furthermore, his reactions when substituted and after losing games at Liverpool are equally disrespectful to those around him - he's not gracious in victory or defeat. You can judge for yourself whether that is ok or not.

Once again we see blind hatred of other poeple's nationality, race, colour or religion. We should not tolerate the sort of behaviour that is typical of those racist Uruguayan cnuts!